MARIJUANA drugs or not drugs

Do you know anything about Marijuana ?

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Mesajde Heavystone » Sâm Mai 08, 2004 1:21 am

420alldaylong scrie: ...Amanitas aren't "LETHAL" by any means...


]a lot of[/u] people have died from Amanitas.. if you don't believe me, eat as many Amanitas you want, and as much as you want... but to let you know.. the ones that you order off the internet are less lethal because they are bred and harvested at their appropriate stage of development by people who are specialists...

..and please.. don't make a fool of yourself by not knowing what you're talking about... it's almost impossible to mistake Amanitas, they're unique species of mushrooms.. there are hardly any mushrooms alike.. just to let you know.. ;-)

If you see a red musroom with white warts on it ==> it's an Amanita Muscaria!! (Amanita Phalloides is yellow with white warts...)

If you want to gain real knowledge I suggest you read books bro, 90% of the internet is either biased by great subjectivism or is simply bullshit, just to let you know... ;)


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DJ Short...

Mesajde Heavystone » Sâm Mai 08, 2004 1:42 am

I don't know if you missed it or what, but in the very link you gave me, it says: "DJ Short, creator of Blueberry, Blue Velvet, and Flo"... under the DJ Short seed companies link (click on "Seeds", then click on "DJ Short")...

http://www.legendsseeds.com/

Only if you scroll down, you will see "Blue Moonshine", which I think is just a "re-engineered" version of Blue Velvet, so our argument is pointless..

And, anyways, in the "About us" link, it doesn't say it's DJ Short's official website either... :)
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Sâm Mai 08, 2004 3:24 am

quoted straight off of the legendsseeds page:
" Suppiler to Dutch Passion of Blueberry, Blue Velvet and Flo. "

and then DJ Short's Strains:
"Blueberry
PRICE: $155 Cdn
$130 US

"We developed Blueberry from different new genetic lines, genetics that are unique to Europe. Not only Blueberry, but also Blue Velvet and Flo are developed from totally new genetics. These seed strains are of the highest quality and have not been grown in Europe before. Blueberry is a mostly Indica (80% Indica, 20%Sativa) strain, that dates to the late 1970's. A large producer under optimum conditions. A dense and stout plant with red, purple and finally blue hues, that usually cure to a lavender blue. The finished product has a very fruity aroma and taste of blueberry. It produces a notable and pleasantly euphoric high of the highest quality and is very long lasting. Medium to large calyxes. Blueberry has a long shelf life, stores well over a long period.

Flowering Period: 45-55 days
Height: 0.7-1m

Flo
PRICE: $140 Cdn
$115 US

Flo is a Sativa/Indica cross (60% Sativa/ 40% Indica) with very Sativa phenotypic characteristics that also matures very early. The large, tight, spear-shaped buds are made up of small, densely packed purple calyxes. The plants are taller and like to branch out. Indoors the buds are fully mature by the end of their sixth week. Outdoors the plant is a super producer when multi-harvested over a period of time. The first buds are ripe around the third week of September. About every ten days after that, new buds form and can be harvested through the end of November, if the plant can be kept alive that long. Therefore, "Flo" is ideal for greenhouse production. The motivational "high" produced by the "Flo"is quite unique; the flavor is like Nepalese Temple Hash. A most pleasant and enjoyable experience." Rated #1 strain at Cannabis Cup '96 by Cannabis Canada Magazine. Bred by the developer of Blueberry, Blue Velvet, and Flo.

Flowering Period: 55-60 days
Height: 1m


Blue Moonshine
PRICE: $155 Cdn
$130 US

The "Blue" version of the "White" family (White Widow, etc). A super potent blueberry Indica, coated with a strong concentration of tall standing trichomes. Produces a very narcotic experience - body high blueberry. Short, stout kush plants that produce dense, tight, rock hard nuggets of trichome coated bud. A true "hash plant".

Flowering Period: 45-55 days
Height: 1m"



THAT means that Blue Velvet is Dutch Passion's strain, developed specifically for them, whereas DJ Short's own BLUE strain is the Moonshine.
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Sâm Mai 08, 2004 3:38 am

and oh, by the way, it IS easy to mistake a deadly amanita for a psychoactive one... here's the psychoactive amanita species: Amanita Muscaria var Muscaria, Amanita Muscaria var Flavivolvata, Amanita Muscaria var Formosa, Amanita Cothurnata, Amanita Gemmata, Amanita Pantherina, and Amanita Regalis, there are 3 edible look-alikes: Amanita Caesaria, Amanita Rubescens, and Amanita Velosa. There are also 2 LETHAL species: Amanita Phalloides and Amanita Verna (also known as Amanita Ocreata).
So then if you agree that ordering off the internet is safer than picking, why did you say that it's impossible to mistake them? You do realize you're implying that picking is OK, right? You're contradicting yourself. Amanita Phalloides can easily be mistaken for Amanita Muscaria var Formosa by someone who doesn't know what he's doing! Agree?
Honestly bro, if your age is what you say it is, then I'm older than you. Only by a year, but still. I still don't see why you brought up age, unless your intellect failed in coming up with a more intelligent insult. Still, seeing as how you can't read at all, I said DJ Short's official SEEDBANK, not website. But then again, I don't expect you to understand English very well, so it's OK. Either way bro, if you want to learn from someone who has done almost everything imaginable lots and lots of times, then you can listen. If not, you can act like a child and think you know everything. Let me ask you, how many times have you done AMT, coke, DMT, DXM, GHB, K, LSD, MDMA, mescaline, meth, LSA, mushrooms (the psilocybin/psilocin kind...), Nitrous, Salvia, 2CB. 2CT7, 5-MeO-DiPT, 5-MeO-DMT? the only things I have not tried nor will I are morphine/heroin, although I tried opium once but it didn't do anything other than have a nice smell when it burned and the smoke tasted sweet, i have not tried nor will I ever try PCP, Alcohol, Belladonna Compounds, Inhalants, or Prescription drugs.
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Mesajde superbiggy » Lun Mai 10, 2004 12:44 am

everyday we learn something new,... thinks Biggy very pleased,...
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Lun Mai 10, 2004 4:11 am

heh, what are you talking about biggy? :-p
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Mesajde tester » Lun Mai 10, 2004 2:09 pm

420adl, what are YOU talking about? Read the forum. Marijuana.., ring a bell?

Revin cu amanunte despre marijuana, acum alung clientii cu industrial de la neatza.
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Mesajde tester » Lun Mai 10, 2004 10:33 pm

Citind cam de la pagina sapte incoace, vreau sa mai fac unele precizari.

"S-a observat o oarecare incetinire a miscarii spermatozoizilor, complet reversibila dupa o luna.Mai greu de verificat asta deci o lasam pe a lor".

Aceasta treaba s-a observat si in urma consumului de alcool, dar asta nu sperie pe nimeni, si nu opreste pe multi de la a consuma alcool. Prietenii stiu de ce.

As mai vrea sa bat putin moneda pe ignoranta si dezinformare.

Era o expresie, ceva de genul "ce nu stii nu-ti face rau". Aici se aplica cam pe dos. In loc sa cunosti si sa fii informat, iti formezi o cultura in care predomina miturile, bagajul de cunostinte nefiind altceva decat o gramada de zvonuri, unele mai exagerate ca altele, de la persoane "avizate".

Astfel, in mod intentionat esti tinut in ignoranta, iar informatia care razbate pana la tine ori e negativa, lucru care te va speria, ori e exagerat de pozitiva, lucru care te va face banuitor.

Caci acestea sunt cele 2 atitudini majore referitoare la marijuana.

Inca din primele posturi pe acest subforum am prezentat efectele negative, care exista si trebuie luate in seama.

Greseala cea mai mare pe care o fac sustinatorii marijuanei, in opinia mea, e ca prezinta marijuana ca pe ceva fantastic si uneori mai uita ca exista si efecte negative, facandu-te banuitor, normal.

Cum poate fi ceva asa de bun ilegal inca, in multe tari. Mai pe larg despre cele doua intr-un viitor post, caci asta se cam lungeste.
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420alldaylong...

Mesajde Heavystone » Lun Mai 10, 2004 10:49 pm

First let me show you how you're contradicting yourself,...
420alldaylong scrie: ...Amanitas aren't "LETHAL" by any means... [/url]

then you say...
420alldaylong scrie:..it IS easy to mistake a deadly amanita for a psychoactive one...


to let you know, lethal = deadly

Second, I brought up the age motif because, I don't know if you read my last post in the "Drogurile" thread where i was making an inquiry about your age, but you didn't post an answer...

Third, I'm not a fucking druggie, so of course I didn't and don't do anything besides Cannabis...

Fourth, I myself live somewhere in North America, and considering i aced English in highschool, I think I handle the language pretty well, thank you...

Fifth, I think you didn't understand my last post mister all-American English speaker... i was just correcting your previous post, letting you know that yes, some Amanitas are deadly....


P.S. : Your username suggests you don't get any other satisfactions in life besides pot ;n...
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Mesajde tester » Lun Mai 10, 2004 11:02 pm

Usor, usor HS, nu te-nversuna asa.
Bine io zic io ascult, incerc si io sa lamuresc ceva copcii pe games dar merge greu.

Asa-i cu alea doua citate, parca si eu le-am remarcat pe acolo, se mai contrazice gajiu, ata ete.

Credeam ca am ramas numai eu de sase pe forumu de underground.

Uite Hs, spune-mi o chestie. Citeam pe undeva ca unele state de pe-acolo de unde ejti tu au legalizat consumul medicinal de marijuana, deci pe baza de prescriptie.

Pana aici toate bune, numai ca, Constitutia SUA interzice tocmai acel lucru, adica degeaba unele state au legalizat-o, medicinal, tot nu este legala si nu poate fi prescrisa.

Asa sta treaba sau s-a mai schimbat?
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Mesajde Heavystone » Lun Mai 10, 2004 11:13 pm

tester scrie: ...Pana aici toate bune, numai ca, Constitutia SUA interzice tocmai acel lucru, adica degeaba unele state au legalizat-o, medicinal, tot nu este legala si nu poate fi prescrisa...


SUA este o federatie, adica exista legea federala, separata de legea statala care se aplica in statul cu pricina... binentzeles, legea federala este suverana, insa legea statala chiar daca se contrazice cu cea federala are shi ea un anumit grad de suveranitate pe teritoriul statului...

Dupa aia, mai este un concept care ingaduie "interpretatrea subiectiva" a constitutiei, in functie de diferite situatii... nu-ti fa griji ca sunt sute de alte legi statale care aparent se contrazic cu constitutia federala...

Pai da, marijuana de prescris nu poate fi prescrisa, insa in statele cu legalitate medicinala, daca poti sa dovedesti ca ai nevoie in scop medicinal, depui o cerere si ti se da o autorizatie(un document) cu care ai voie sa cultivi un numar limitat de plante...
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Mesajde tester » Lun Mai 10, 2004 11:21 pm

Stiu cum sta treaba cu federatia:)

Pai da, marijuana de prescris nu poate fi prescrisa, insa in statele cu legalitate medicinala, daca poti sa dovedesti ca ai nevoie in scop medicinal, depui o cerere si ti se da o autorizatie(un document) cu care ai voie sa cultivi un numar limitat de plante...

Deci de prescris tot nu se prescrie, dar poti sa cultivi in scop medicinal. Atunci cum functioneaza, cum primeste lumea "autorizatii", pentru ca nu vad cum poti dovedi ca ai nevoie de ea in scop medicinal fara un doctor care sa o prescrie?
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Mesajde Heavystone » Lun Mai 10, 2004 11:31 pm

Nu stiu exact n-am studiat fenomenul, dar, am citit in ziar despre chestia asta... nu stiu, s-ar putea ca prescrierea sa fie legala in statul meu, sa nu se aplice principiul ala federal, etc.. nu stiu sigur..

De ex, unde sunt yo(nu zic unde ca sunt cam paranoic in legatura cu garcea&stuff), sunt panouri publicitare la marginea drumului care arata doi batrani, un mosh si-o baba, si scrie: "Mary Jane is after my husband" iar dedesupt: AMMA (American Medical Marijuana Association)
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Mesajde tester » Lun Mai 10, 2004 11:37 pm

Lasa ca nu conteaza asa mult de unde esti, iar cu paranoia evident ca acest forum este citit de zor de diverse personaje, inclusiv militieni si altele, ocazie cu care le urez traditionalul m. Deci nu esti paranoic, sau esti pe buna dreptate :)

Pai vezi poate afli amanunte, ca de pe guugle pot sa scot destul material irelevant, si, cine stie poate te poti apuca legal de crescut canepa pe-acasa.
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Mar Mai 11, 2004 5:19 am

just to clarify heavystone, amanitas (the ones commonly used for hallucinating) are the aforementioned amanita muscaria var. muscaria and var. formosa. Some of the OTHER amanitas, which aren't commonly used, ARE poisonous and CAN kill you. However, the white-dotted RED ones are not included in that category. I swear, I could tell from the way you write Romanian and the way you articulate, make sentences, etc, I swear I could tell you're not in Romania. But, I got my proof when you said "I'm not a druggie, I've only done cannabis". My friend, have you ever touched alcohol, cigarettes, medications (over the counter AND/OR prescription), HAVE YOU EVER TOUCHED SUGAR? if you answered yes to any of the above questions, YOU ARE A DRUGGIE AND THE SOONER YOU CAN ADMIT IT TO YOURSELF THE SOONER YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ADMIT IT TO THE WORLD. Yeah, SUGAR is a drug. Eat a couple spoons, see what a head rush you get. So pleae stop with the "I've only smoked weed, weed is not a drug" because weed IS a drug. Does it not alter your conciousness? Does it not make you feel good? Hungry? Sleepy? Guess what, when you can't sleep, you take DRUGS so you can fall asleep. The DRUGS most people take for insomnia do the same damn thing weed does, make you fall asleep. You get it? Drug is NOTHING ELSE but a STUPID MADE-UP WORD to give a group of chemicals a bad stigma and reputation. To envelop them in a bad aura, get it? Yeah... I know you don't. Either way, I don't even suppose you know the starting materials for the "DRUGS" you so despise. LSD comes from a fungus on WHEAT (you know, the thing your BREAD is made out of?), MDMA comes from saffrole (which can be found in cinnamon trees, and hundreds of other species of plants), DMT(N,N-DMT) psylocibin/psilocin (4-HO-DMT) come from plant material , although DMT and bufetonine (5-HO-DMT) are also found in LIVE MAMMALS! Yeah, your brain's pineal gland produces N,N-DMT and the Sonoran Desert Toad (or the Buffalo Toad..) produces 5-HO-DMT... essentially, it is the same hydroxy substitution on the base DMT molecule as the mushrooms do it, except it's made at the 5th location on the indole ring (instead of 4th like psilocin), Methamphetamine comes from Ma Huang (a chinese plant) who carries EPHEDRINE. Guess what bro? DRUGS are nothing new to the world. Weed didn't get invented in the 1900s, and nothing else is new either. They have found a pharaoh's mummy containing traces of NICOTINE and COCAINE. That's THOUSANDS of years ago, bro. You gonna tell me that the pharaoh had a lab in his pyramid? Come on now, drugs are nothing but substances like everything you consume on a daily basis. If you want to be perfectly honest, with yourself and everyone else, then please realize that weed is a drug albeit a "MILD" one. If you believe it's harmless, I'd suggest you take a look at it again. Just like with smoking anything, your lungs can get fucked up. "BUT IT'S HARMLESS!!!"

In California, the penalty for getting caught with under an ounce (28.5 grams) is $100. The penalty for growing is 16 months (for under 50 plants!), although most people are out in 8 or less on good behavior.
The prescription works in the following way. You see a doctor, and based on your illnesses, he may or may not recommend medical marijuana. If you do have a disease that qualifies (like AIDS, glaucoma, etc), you can discuss the medicinal marijuana issue with your doctor. This doesn't mean you will get a prescription. They are almost impossibly hard to get. ONCE YOU HAVE A PRESCRIPTION, based on the laws of your county, you may have a certain number of immature and mature plants, although I believe the law stipulates that the plants must also fit into a certain size garden. IE: Sonoma County, you are allowed a maximum of 99 plants around a garden no bigger than 30 ft x 30 ft, or something like that. So you can't have one plant here, one plant there, adding up to 99 total on your 500 acre property, get it? They want you to keep the plants under supervision, closeby, etc. You can also have a "caregiver" which is someone that would lawfully be able to grow for you, in case you are not able. The caregiver does not necessarily have to be a patient or have a prescription. The federal government obviously has a huge problem with this, and I hate to say it, but the state leading the cause is California. That is why I'm here, to talk to you guys about weed (and possibly other things, with whomever is interested), because I'm right in the middle of it. It's rumored (by some polls) that up to 80% of Californians have tried pot, and that at least 2 out of 3 (of those 80%) smoke on a daily basis. Fun facts!! :-p
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Mesajde tester » Mar Mai 11, 2004 4:26 pm

Tipul asta cam intelege ce vorovim noi p-aci. Limba romana de circulatie internationala sa ne traiasca.

Oricum intr-o poveste fara legatura, Superbiggy isi sarbatoreste ziua astazi, asa ca puteti sa-i urati un sincer, da sincer,
La Multi Ani.

Nu il cunosc personal, dar si pentru deschiderea acestui forum si tot e suficient:)
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Mar Mai 11, 2004 7:20 pm

Happy Birthday biggy! Me & my old lady wish you the best of health, may all your dreams come true, and you best party off your ass... once again, Happy BirthdaE ;) *cough*wink* anyways, cheers!
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Mesajde tester » Mie Mai 12, 2004 8:40 pm

It's rumored (by some polls) that up to 80% of Californians have tried pot, and that at least 2 out of 3 (of those 80%) smoke on a daily basis.

420adl, we are trying to make things clear here, rumours r not helping.

Interesting what you said about prescriptions, is it actually wk that way? Or that`s how is supposed to wk.
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Mie Mai 12, 2004 9:10 pm

that's how the prescription is supposed to work... it's not very hard to find a doctor who will write you a prescription, as they are doctors and do think in the best interest of the patient, and not the pharmaceutical companies and the government, BUT it is pretty hard to "fake" your way into a prescription. If you do have a legit reason for smoking, then it'll be pretty easy to get a prescription, whereas if you don't, even if there's nice doctors who will try and help, the law ties their hands when it comes to people who can't legally prove they "NEED" to smoke.
the "rumor" thing is a poll, but officials deny it and say it's false, which is why i called it a rumor. but basically, somewhere like 75-80% of ALL californians have tried pot at least once, at about 45-50% of ALL californians (aka, 60% of the people who have tried it at least once), toke at least once a week. hope that helps clarify :-D
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Mesajde superbiggy » Mie Mai 12, 2004 9:52 pm

multam fain baietzi , sunte-ti draguti. Thanks 420 you're ok,:-). pana una alta nu mai am provizii de o saptamana si cred ca ma apuc de cultivat morcovi, am auzit ca ajuta,..:-P, va salut si ma duc sa mai scot niste beri de la rece, fac recuperare,..:PP
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Mesajde tester » Mie Mai 12, 2004 10:12 pm

Hehe, superbiggy, bine ca n-ai dat-o pe ceva supradoza, ca-ti sareau in cap astia anti:)

Bine noi stim ca e cam greu, dar ei nu.
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Mesajde superbiggy » Mie Mai 12, 2004 10:21 pm

loool, ce OD frate ca nu mai stiu cum arata,..:)) pana una alta e vara si merge si berea rece in cantitati industriale
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Mesajde tester » Mie Mai 12, 2004 10:31 pm

Alta tara, alte obiceiuri:) Ma voi multumi cu o tzuica deseara cand termin cu muncile, hai noroc.
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Joi Mai 13, 2004 9:36 pm

heh heh heh... i WISH you could OD on THC. I've tried it, but even after a whole day of smoking almost non-stop (and more than 60 grams gone), i was still walking around, although I was somewhat of an idiot :-p like uh, pondering reality, not even seeing where i'm walking, knocking over shit, etc.. ya know... but just so damn absolutely stoned!
anyways, so let me ask you guys. what is your favorite "chemical"? biggy? tester? anyone else?
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Mesajde tester » Joi Mai 13, 2004 9:40 pm

420adl, tu ne intelegi, ca-i mai simplu s-o dam pe rom?
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Mesajde superbiggy » Sâm Mai 15, 2004 8:20 am

anyways, so let me ask you guys. what is your favorite "chemical"? biggy? tester? anyone else?
to get fucked up i drink vodka (palinca ardeleneasca pentru cei ce stiu) and to get high ONLY marijuana. i guess that you were interested by this last one.
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Sâm Mai 15, 2004 9:21 am

heh, i understand romanian, but i don't speak it or write it.
palinca isn't vodka but anyways, it's some strong stuff. kinda tastes like fire! :-p
what kind of weed do you like biggy? the "heady" sativas or the "lazy" indicas? any strains that you prefer? as in taste, potency, smell, look, etc...
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Mesajde tester » Sâm Mai 15, 2004 12:21 pm

420adl, u have a pm regarding your question. In the meanwhile I`m glad you know the difference between vodka and palinca(or tuica-with a strong t).

Apropo biggy, tzuica de bine de rau e inca un produs natural, mai ales aia de care ziceai, sortiment din care am degustat si aseara cu tzaraita.
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Mesajde Heavystone » Mar Mai 18, 2004 10:39 pm

I prefer a good, well balanced Sativa predominant hybrid that is not too psychedelic and not lethargic either, that gives me a good "humorous", creative state of mind and a happy mood... (i.e. Big Kahuna, Haze, Jack Herer, Skunk #1, #2, etc...)
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so...

Mesajde rap_t_one » Joi Iun 10, 2004 2:05 pm

in pana mea ... multam Heavy Stone ! Bag de seama ca eshti pe la agronomie, biologie ceva (sau doar ai citit foarte mult despre ce bagi in tine )
SO : in concluzie ca tampi pana citi tot ce-i acilea (mai pe sarite dar primele 4 pagini integral ) : cand am ocazia , sa trag sau nu ? ~p
:lol: adica sunt shi eu nou ! shi apropos de chestia asta ... pe siteu ala cu mari-ro ... acolo zice efecte nocive shi benefice ... shi cat ma duse pe mine capu intelesai ... ca placerea s-ar transforma shi-n chin mai apoi ;f !
"POZITIVE:
- dispozitie ridicata
- relaxare, reducerea stresului
- cresterea starii de creativitate, filozifie sau a gandirii profunde ... vin ideile foarte usor.
- cresterea aprecierii fata de muzica
- cresterea poftei fata de mancare side bautura
- reducerea oboselii musculaturii. Senzatie de binedispunere, cresterea conexiunilor dintre minte si corp.
- reducerea gretii, raului de mare (folosire in scopuri medicale) NEUTRE
- cresterea apetitului foarte mult
- schimbari majore in constiinta
- senzatia de oboseala
- ochii inrositi (se produc la consumarea anumitor tipuri de cannabis si la fumatori ocazionali)
- uscarea gurii
- senzatii de blocare a memoriei
- dificultate de concentrare pe un anumit subiect
- tensiune faciala, a gatului si a gurii (intalnite destul de rar)

NEGATIVE
- rau de mare, greata
- transpiratie, astm, probleme de respiratie
- intampinearea unor probleme de pierdere a memoriei pe o durata scurta pe perioada efectului, si intr-o perioada de uz frecvent
- rectii incetinite, foarte periculos mai ales in timpul conuslui sau in timpul folosirii anumitor masinarii
- hipertensiune si agitatie
- panica, dureri de cap
- confuzii, ametela
- stari paranoice din ce in ce mai frecvente
- Posibilitatea dobandirii dependentei psihologice de cannabis

La cei care fumeaza in fiecare zi aceste efecte se agraveaza aparand astfel reducerea senzatiei deplacere, dureri de cap, disconfort general, probleme cu somnul si o dorinta de a fuma din ce in ce mai mult."

SO ????
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