MARIJUANA drugs or not drugs

Do you know anything about Marijuana ?

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Interesting subject.
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No.
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No and i don't want to .
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Lun Mai 03, 2004 12:01 pm

some more pics of the jb
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Lun Mai 03, 2004 12:04 pm

some more pics of the jb
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Lun Mai 03, 2004 12:05 pm

and finally, the last pics
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Mesajde Heavystone » Lun Mai 03, 2004 5:42 pm

Yo, 420alldaylong... how did u end up on this Romanian forum, bro?... If you're Romanian, please use your "mother's tongue"(native language), know what i mean;-)... If you're not Romanian, it's all good,... nice to have you here.. :U

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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Lun Mai 03, 2004 9:24 pm

Well, if my name doesn't give it away, then I will let you guys know. I smoke all day! I found this because I was looking for some sort of information about how cannabis is doing in Romania. I wish I could speak in my mother's tongue, but I don't speak a word of it, since I came to the US when I was 2. I am Romanian though, I still have my Romanian citizenship and that's not going to ever change.
I don't know if everyone here understands english as well as they do romanian, but for those of you who do, or who at least know some english, here's a couple articles about THC and protecting against brain trauma (like people who get strokes, etc.)
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Lun Mai 03, 2004 9:28 pm

"Thanks for this post. It is only a matter of time before more mainstream media
outlets start reporting on this major thread of cannabinoid research.
Cannabinoids are neuroprotective in a great many (animal) research
approaches, whether it is stroke (induced by arterial occlusion), physical
brain trauma (closed head injury), injected excitotoxins (eg, kainic acid) or
increasingly, in genetic models of disease states like epilepsy. (For those
who have access to science journals, one recent review of this literature is by
Chris J. Fowler in Brain Research Reviews, 2002). In some studies of stroke
models, THC is significantly more potent than vitamin E for reducing infarct
volume... and vitamin E is currently front-line treatment for emergency room
stroke victims. Not only are cannabinoids antioxidants, and also protect from
excitotoxicity directly, but the Wired story neglected to mention that
cannabinoids themselves produce hypothermia, which plays a role in protecting
against brain trauma [see Leker, RR et al, (2003) "Drug Induced Hypothermia
Reduces Ischemic Damage: Effects of the Cannabinoid HU-210," Stroke 34: 2000-6].

Nearer to my own field, a study was published last month (Oct 3) in Science by
Marsicano et al, titled "CB1 Cannabinoid Receptors and On-Demand Defense Against
Excitotoxicity." They used sophisticated genetic manipulations in mice to show
that the brain's endogenous cannabinoids (endocannabinoids) are produced as a
rapid, feedback control to protect neurons from toxic overstimulation. The article
was accompanied by a commentary piece (more accessible to non-neuroscientists, and
invited by the journal) by Raphael Mechoulam and Aron Lichtman called "Stout Guards
of the Brain," refering to these profound protective properties of endocannabinoids.
Mechoulam started with an historical story about a medieval Arab prince who was
treated successfully with hashish for seizures of some sort.

With so much animal research and now cannabinoids in ongoing clinical trials,
those concerned with drug research and policy should know that neuroprotection
will soon be at the forefront of cannabis discussion. Could kind-bud save your
brain from a serious stroke? This is a serious question that seems to be
supported by a growing amount of research! Some people use cannabis as a
preventive medicine... is neuroscience research suggesting that they should be
taken seriously? It is certain that scientists are focusing in many respects on
identifying non-psychoactive or otherwise chemically-targeted alternatives to
delta-9-THC or cannabis per se. Rightly so, in some respects, but this is of
course also driven by prohibitionist funding structures and drug company profit
goals. In ANY case, the issue must always be asked as to whether cannabis itself
is effective for those who choose it, and if so, how can we possibly send a safe,
nonviolent patient/user to prison and claim that it is in the name of justice and
public health?


PS: Regarding the question...
This may be a stupid question, but why would a single administration of
synthetic THC cost thousands of dollars?
A. It is a fairly expensive synthesis... (after all, only one plant has evolved
to develop anything like this remarkable molecule).
B. The company probably justifies that it needs to pay off all its investors for
R&D and legal hassles, which I'm guessing has been more difficult with a THC
analog.
C. The company wants to support themselves for as long as possible off a drug
that is prescribed in ER situations to save someone's life, where currently the
best tactic is to give antioxidants, stick the patient's head in a cold box and
pray that the damage is small. Ironic that our government is waging a war on
such a drug company gold mine. But then, war is never about the gold but about
who has it."

--
Gregory Gerdeman, Ph.D.
Department of Pharmacology
College of Medicine
The University of Arizona Health Sciences Center
P.O. Box 245050
Tucson, AZ 85724-5050








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Keep Your Brain From Going to Pot

By Kristen Philipkoski

02:00 AM Nov. 17, 2003 PT
http://go.hotwired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,61239,00.html/wn_ascii

The active chemical in marijuana can do more for your head than give you a
high -- it could protect your brain in emergency situations.

An altered version of cannabis could be the first drug ever to shield the
brain from the cascade of injury that follows head trauma.

When the brain is injured in a fall or car accident, the damage does not
stop after the impact. When cells in the brain die, they send signals to
nearby cells to die also, causing continued, uncontrollable injury.
Researchers have been trying to find a way to stop this domino effect for
decades, but nothing has worked well yet.

Researchers at Pharmos, a pharmaceutical company in Iselin, New Jersey, are
seeing promising results with their injectable synthetic cannabis drug.
While pharmaceutical giants like Pfizer and Bayer have failed at developing
emergency treatments for head trauma, Pharmos scientists say theirs will be
the one to succeed.

The drug, called Dexanabinol, is a synthetic version of the active chemical
in cannabis, tetrahydrocannabinol, known commonly as THC. The researchers
flip its molecules around to form a mirror image of THC. In this form it
doesn't cause some of the potential negative effects of hashish or
marijuana, such as low blood pressure or impairment of motor function.

"If you ask me 'Is hashish good for health?' well, maybe, but the results
are very controversial," said Gad Riesenfeld, president and COO of Pharmos.
"We have selected Dexanabinol because of its mechanism of action and
efficacy in animal models, and the way it worked in the phase 2 study." It's
now in phase 3 of testing; drugs must undergo three phases of trials to be
considered for approval by the FDA.

He added that THC at this dosage would cause serious low blood pressure,
which can be particularly problematic when coupled with a brain injury.

Other attempts have focused on just one aspect of brain trauma, such as
inflammation. But three basic processes contribute to damaging the brain
when injury occurs, and the cannabis-derived drug acts on all of them:
inflammation, neuron death and the breakdown of communication between
neurons called "excitotoxicity."

In Pharmos' phase 2 study of 100 patients with severe traumatic brain
trauma, about 30 percent were completely recovered or had just moderate
disability six months after their injury when treated with the drug --
compared with 15 percent of those who received a placebo.

"We think the FDA will give approval to a drug that has even 10 percent more
patients achieving good outcomes on the Glasgow scale," Riesenfeld said.

Pharmos' phase 3 study will include 900 severe traumatic brain injury
patients at 80 clinics around the world. Fifteen of the clinics are in the
United States, and 750 patients have been recruited so far.

Performing the trial is complicated by the fact that emergency workers must
inject Dexanabinol no more than six hours after the injury. While that seems
like a good chunk of time, it can fly by in a triage situation, especially
when doctors must get informed-consent documents signed before using an
experimental drug, one doctor said.

"Six hours seems long, but when you're doing 'ABC' (a routine check of
airway, breathing and circulation), then you begin finding the next of kin
-- since many will be unconscious -- the time slips away quickly," said
David Bonovich, fellowship program director in neurocritical care at the
University of California at San Francisco.

Still, Bonovich said it's a reasonable window of time in which to administer
a drug -- it might not do any good if administered later.

About 1.5 million people suffer traumatic brain injuries in the United
States every year, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Riesenfeld
said about 150,000 of those could be candidates for the drug. That's not a
huge market, but each treatment would cost between $4,000 and $7,000, he said.

Researchers previously hoped that inducing hypothermia might slow the
progress of brain injury, because lowering body temperature slows all of the
body's processes. They had high hopes for a large study called the National
Acute Brain Injury Study using Hypothermia, known as the NABISH trial,
sponsored by the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke.

But the treatment ultimately failed to show a significant improvement.
However, researchers saw some evidence that the treatment could benefit
patients who already have a low temperature when they receive hypothermia
treatment, so researchers are continuing with a NABISH 2 trial focusing on
only those patients.

Pharmos researchers think they have a good chance to do better. They say
they have taken great care to learn from past failed trials, to identify the
patients who are most likely to benefit from the drug, and to find the
proper dosage and time frame in which to administer it. They hope to have
approval of the drug in late 2004, and to put it on the market in early 2005.

The researchers are also testing the drug to prevent brain damage that can
occur after cardiac surgery, said Robert Cook, chief executive officer of
Pharmos. Surgeons would give the injection prophylactically.


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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Lun Mai 03, 2004 9:43 pm

but for those who like eye candy, i have eye candy too :N
This is DJ Short's Blueberry
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Lun Mai 03, 2004 9:47 pm

do these really need a message to go along?
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Lun Mai 03, 2004 9:55 pm

last ones for now.. i promise
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Mesajde tester » Lun Mai 03, 2004 11:50 pm

Nice 420adl, too long the article thou, next time just make a link, its easyer.
Maybe you could leave some comment about those pictures, it helps.

u sure ur form Us?:)
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Mar Mai 04, 2004 2:09 am

I guess I can't edit the post anymore? I was going to erase the whole thing and just drop a link... ( http://www.maps.org/forum/2003/msg00557.html )
I'm Romanian, tester ;) I also happen to live in California... am I like a rare specimen or something? anyways, the bud pictures are from my collection of the best looking bud pictures I've come across. The first 5, the really incredibly frosty purple, is DJ Short's Blueberry. DJ Short is a breeder from Oregon, and basically he has 3 strains. Blueberry, Flo, and Blue Moonshine. All very well known across the world. The picture of the giant tree plant is just that. A GIANT cannabis tree. The one to the right is a PURPLE phenotype of G13 (supposedly Pacific's G13), next a macroshot so you can see all the resin glands perfectly. The tennis-ball sized nug named A11xMTF is Apollo 11 x Mantanunska Thunderfuck. Absolute KILLER smoke! Then, a pic I found on the net entitled Marijuana Olympics. I thought it was pretty funny. Anyways, onto the next set of 5, starting we have Purple Haze. The freak of the Haze family, as it has a very mellow, subdued, seductive high... every other pure haze is trippy-like. Next to that, is a close-up pic of Trainwreck, a sativa originating from Los Angeles. Next, the frosty purple buds is another Blueberry plant. I'm not sure what the next one is, the green bud, but if I remember right, it's Cinderella 99 x AK-47. Finally, the last one is Serious Seeds' AK-47.
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Mesajde Heavystone » Mar Mai 04, 2004 5:52 am

DJ Short also has a strain called "Blue Velvet"...
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Mar Mai 04, 2004 8:10 pm

i'm sorry to break this to you Heavystone, but DJ Short does NOT have a strain called "Blue Velvet". if you're referring to emeryseeds.com, i'd suggest you think about it twice, because Marc Emery is one of the biggest frauds around. If you want to find out about DJ Short, i'd suggest you check out http://www.legendsseeds.com and http://www.overgrow.com and lots of other places. If anyone here is getting seeds, I'd suggest you get them from http://www.eurohemp.com (Heaven's Stairway UK). They have a very good reputation, and they send you the seeds in unopened breeder's packs. (that way you know you're getting the real deal, whereas most banks sell rip-offs. that is, not seeds that came from the breeder, but seeds that they made with that breeder's genetics. and you best believe there is a HUGE difference)
anyways, what is the status of the "soft" drugs in Romania? cannabis, hash, ketamine, LSD-25, MDMA, magic mushrooms, peyote (and mescaline)? i'm planning to spend the summer back in the motherland, but i don't want to be without some candy, know what i mean?
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Mesajde tester » Mar Mai 04, 2004 9:46 pm

Now thats the christmas tree i want.

Thanks for the info 420adl.

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Mesajde superbiggy » Mar Mai 04, 2004 11:42 pm

Yo Mr.420alldaylong Sir. welcome to oure forum,...
If the candyes that you are talkin' about ARE the candyes that you are takling about,.. then my man you are a very rich man and we are instantly you're new best friends, .... :-)
Now, to be serious about this issue you'll see that in oure country only the smartest few of use can enjoy a real taste, flavour with "high voltage" feeling cake. Maybe you will find a way to bring a new and usefull wave of fresh aroma on Romania, we sure need it, till then nothig but love from Romania, we are waitind for a sign , like american native indians smoke messages,... puf puf :-t smookiiiinnnnn !!!
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Mie Mai 05, 2004 6:43 am

the CANDY that i'm talking about is the aforementioned "soft" drugs, which i happen to enjoy every time i can... i smoke weed all day long, every day, but everything else really is like candy... you have some once in a while.
however, i am NOT talking about cocaine or meth or heroin or shit like that. i think those are disgusting!
flavor with a "high voltage" feeling? you talking about mdma?
you don't have to be rich to enjoy "fine chemicals". other than cannabis/hash, nothing of the things i named can be enjoyed on a daily basis (well....... maybe ketamine, but i haven't heard anyone talk about Special K yet). if you are talking about rich as in my psyche having been enriched with knowledge gained while under the influence, then yes, i'm rich like a motherf*cker! i wonder though, if i went to Romania, how hard would it be to find weed? i wouldn't exactly want to be without my smoke...
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Mesajde piskeshu » Mie Mai 05, 2004 8:50 am

It's not hard to find weed, but it is very easy to end up in prison!
Have you ever tried Amanita Muscaria or Atropa Belladonna? If yes, can you tell me something about those two? (eg. doze)
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Mesajde Heavystone » Mie Mai 05, 2004 12:13 pm

420alldaylong scrie:i'm sorry to break this to you Heavystone, but DJ Short does NOT have a strain called "Blue Velvet...


And I myself am sorry to break this to YOU, man, but I happen to have a book called "Cultivating Exceptional Cannabis" written by the man himself, DJ Short in which he states that his 3 main strains are called: Blueberry, Flo, and... Blue Velvet... maybe you should get it yourself, it's like $16 at Borders...

Besides that book, the author of "The Cannabible" ($25 at Borders..) also mentions Blue Velvet as the third strain of DJ Short..

Hate to question the credibility of those websites, but everyone makes mistakes, you know.. it also could be the editors of both of those books, but anyways, maybe that Blue Moonshine is the fake strain ;)

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Mesajde Heavystone » Mie Mai 05, 2004 12:34 pm

piskeshu scrie: ...Amanita Muscaria...


Amanita Muscaria is a hallucinogenic mushroom but at the same time, one of the deadliest, most toxic mushrooms around... you can find it in RO all over in the woods.. but I'd never recommend trying it... unless you're a certified mycologist with a Phd on the subejct of "Amanita", and you know the stages in its life cycle when its toxicity is minimal, and you know the lethal dosage.. which also varies from person to person...
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Mesajde piskeshu » Mie Mai 05, 2004 12:56 pm

Chiar asta ma intereseaza, omule, dozaju!
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Mesajde tester » Mie Mai 05, 2004 9:59 pm

Pai asta e ca nu prea exista asa ceva.

Vezi si tu ca treaba e toxica si te poti beli, chiar cu dozajul "bun", sunt prea multi factori acolo, plus ca variaza de la persoana la persoana precum si in functie de stadiul de dezvoltare.

Nu cred ca poti sa zici, da dom`le 1g e ok si la 1.5g te belesti.

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Mesajde superbiggy » Joi Mai 06, 2004 1:12 am

420alldaylong,... if you are talking about rich as in my psyche having been enriched with knowledge gained while under the influence, then yes, i'm rich like a motherf*cker! i wonder though, if i went to Romania, how hard would it be to find weed? i wouldn't exactly want to be without my smoke...

that's exactly the sh*t i'm talking about man :-), cose everything else its so f*ckin' relative, you are a smart man and i believe you will find PEACE also among romanians....
keep it in & take it back just two moves to get fuck*d up !
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Mesajde Heavystone » Joi Mai 06, 2004 8:11 am

piskeshu scrie:Chiar asta ma intereseaza, omule, dozaju!


Da, deci cum a spus tester... nu poate nimeni sa garanteze dozaju.. sa nu crezi pe nimeni cand iti spune 1gram,2,3, 5, etc... pana nu iti arata 2 diplome de doctorat: una in Mycologie si alta in Medicina...


Cateva linkuri:

http://www.entheogen.com/forbidden/articles/thearticles/aman.html

http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic1505.htm

http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_info4.shtml
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Mesajde piskeshu » Joi Mai 06, 2004 8:37 am

Mersi de linkuri. Pe erowid am cautat si io, da erau niste relatari f. contradictorii : unu le prajea, altu le manca crude, altu 1 g, altu 3g si toti atentionau asupra faptului ca daca gresesti un pic te-ai dus pe pluta.
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Mesajde tester » Joi Mai 06, 2004 8:44 pm

Macar asupra acestui fapt s-a cazut de acord, daca gresesti te-ai dus.

Daca totul merge bine anunta-ne si pe noi de detalii.

Daca nu, vom intelege.
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Mesajde superbiggy » Joi Mai 06, 2004 9:38 pm

looooooooooooooool tester, intelegatorule ce esti,.. :-P
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Mesajde tester » Vin Mai 07, 2004 1:11 pm

Haha.

Oricum orice experienta personala merita mentionata, sunt cele mai credibile si sigure oricum, cele din auzite si povestite tin de domeniul basmului.

Las ca vine piskeshu cu amanunte.
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Sâm Mai 08, 2004 12:12 am

I would say that if you want to experience Amanitas, you should order them online from Bouncing Bear Botanicals. They have an excellent reputation, and their stuff is top quality. $25 will get you 28 grams of premium orange siberian amanitas, and I would say that is good enough for 4 experiences. Erowid puts the common dose at 5-10 grams, so my logic dictates 8 grams to be a good experience. The first time though, take only 4 grams because some people are sensitive or you might just want to "check it out" to see if you would like to explore further. The reason why I believe you should buy them instead of go out and pick them is because someone has already identified these, as mistaking mushrooms is very easy and yes, you can pick a deadly mushroom if you don't know what you're doing. Amanitas aren't "LETHAL" by any means. However, the feeling that you get is this nausea coupled with psyche disturbances, to make it short and to the point, the trip, you might feel like you've been poisoned or you're going crazy and stuff looks weird and not real, that is the TRIP, you're NOT dying. Check out this link: http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_effects.shtml

CONSTITUENTS :
The entheogenic constituents of A. muscaria are ibotenic acid (alpha-amino3-hydroxy-5-isoxazole acetic acid), muscimol (3hydroxy-5-aminomethy1 isoxazole), and possibly muscazone. Muscimol appears to be the primary intoxicant. After ingestion, a small amount of ibotenic acid decarboxylates into muscimol, which produces the intoxication.
Taken orally, ibotenic acid is entheogenically active at 50-100 mg.
Taken orally, muscimol displays activity at 10-15mg.
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Sâm Mai 08, 2004 12:41 am

oh, and as to DJ Short, HAH! i've said it once and i'll say it again. go take a look at http://www.legendsseeds.com because it is DJ Short's OFFICIAL seedbank. get it? it says it RIGHT THERE on HIS PAGE. supplier of Blue Velvet TO DUTCH PASSION. And as for DJ Short's 3 strains, they are listed RIGHT UNDERNEATH. Blueberry, Flo, and BLUE MOONSHINE! Either way, I suppose being only 200 miles away from Oregon, where DJ Short lives, I wouldn't have ever heard of his strains (but just so you know, they're some of the most popular around here and I smoke them all the time. HAH!!!).
Atropa Belladona contains Scopolamine as the primary active chemical, with Atropine as the second active chem. Scopolamine in very small quantities is used to treat motion sickness, Heart Ailments, PMS, etc. There are patches, extracts, etc. Scopolamine and Atropine are the primary Tropane alkaloids. And to quote Erowid: "When used at higher than normal doses, tropanes produce some rather extreme psychoactive effects -- disorientation, confusion, hallucinations, delusions, panic, etc. The interesting thing about this class of hallucinogens is that the person taking the drug is often absolutely convinced that the hallucinations/delusions are, in every sense, real; furthermore, he or she may attempt to interact with them (and perceive normal response). This can range from amusing to dangerous. There is often a severe distortion of position/kinetic sense leading many to say they feel like they were in free-fall or flying."
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Mesajde 420alldaylong » Sâm Mai 08, 2004 1:00 am

as to the dosage for a trip, i wouldn't know. i never tried it and i don't plan to, because it's a very long trip, about 24 hours, and you have amnesia the entire time. You do not know who you are, where you are, you're just wandering around in a delirium. I personally think it's stupid, because psilocybes, peyote, lsd, or dmt are much more desirable. I've experienced with salvia, and the first few times was almost nothing, but then I had a full blown, out of this world trip, and it was too scary. It was kind of like the Final Fantasy movie, where the chick dreams of the Alien world and them fighting. As soon as I exhaled though, I was tripping at full strength. After like 5 minutes, it slowed down a bit and it settled down into Looney Tunes-like animations on the wall instead of the utterly alien landscape. Well, that was actually a combination of things. 3 huge 10x salvia extract bowls back to back, held in until nothing comes out, but that was after about 200mg of crystal meth (smoked out of a clear glass pipe), after which I had eaten 1.3 grams of psilocybes (the strain was mexican, so they were more like party mushrooms, like fun and giggly, not tripping into other worlds). The salvia was the last thing that I did, due to its short duration, but the first 5 minutes I had huge insectoid creatures chasing after me, I turned ethereal (like a cloud), they slashed my body to pieces and they all drifted apart and I could even watch my conciousness, like I was someone utterly different just watching myself get shredded. Anyways, those were the days, but I'm more limited now. Crystal's hard to live with, because of its long duration, and I hate being without sleep for 7 days. Like I said, I stick to "soft" things nowadays. Speaking of which, I'm gonna go smoke a bowl. Peace!
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